Thursday, June 14, 2007

Rumor Of The Day

Seeing as how they seem to come on a daily basis, here's the one I heard yesterday:

Blazers trade Z-bo and Jack to the Hawks for Marvin Williams, a cap filler, and the #3 pick.

This might be one of the more interesting rumors I've heard, and it would make some sense. Jack played at G-Tech, the Hawks would certainly be better in a hurry, and the Blazers get a high upside forward and that #3 pick that they could do a number of things with. Speculation is that Conley Jr.'s dad (and the "agent" for both Oden and Conley) is trying to get Conley to Portland to continue his playing relationship with Oden. Not sure how I feel about that, but I wouldn't mind any situation that got them Corey Brewer along with Oden.

8 comments:

ziggythebeagle said...

According to RealGM the following trade works

Atlanta trades
Speedy Claxton
Marvin Williams
2007 Draft #03 Pick

Portland Trades
Zach Randolph
Jarrett Jack

To work though the deal would have to be done after Atlanta drafts @ #3, so that the #3 picks salary is counted.

Claxton makes $17,273,485 over the next 3 years.
Williams makes $17,457,348 over the next 3 years (assuming $7,355,166 qualifying offer in 2009-10).
We would owe the #3 pick about $24,000,000 over 4 years.
In total we would owe the 3 guys $58,730,833. Next year we would owe the three $14,388,902.

Zach is due $61,333,333 over the next 4 years, and $13,333,333 next year.
Jack is due $6,119,821 over the next 3 years, and $1,217,400 next year.

So next year our payroll would fall by $161,831, and the total $ due of the long term deals would be $2,764,331 less for Portland.

If we get Marvin Williams I am not sure would we would pursue with the #3 pick. I don't believe that Mike Conley is who they want, but adding Williams makes taking Brewer as well seem a little redundant. But then again so does taking Al Horford, or Brendan Wright.

Lochi said...

I would make that deal. That #3 pick would be an interesting debate, Brewer or Conley. They wouldn't have much use for Horford or Wright, but they could take Conley just to make Oden happy. I happen to think Brewer is the best player in the draft not named Oden or Durant though.

Moderator said...

I tend to agree with zig here in that I don't get the sense Portland really wants Conley. If Portland aquires the #3 pick, seems to me they'd almost certainly draft a SF and Williams wouldn't be a part of the deal. Zig, does the trade work without Williams being included?

ziggyblazer said...

If Williams isn't included then Claxton and the #3 for Zach and JJ doesn't work. We would then have to take on another player, and to make salaries work most likely player would be Zaza Pachulia, and that makes even less sense.

Now I think Marvin Williams has a super bright future. According to Basketball-Reference.com at 19 his highest similarity score was to Chris Bosh at 19, and at 20 he was most similar to Luol Deng at 20. The similarity score in both cases was deemed "Very Similar".

It is possible that perhaps the plan is to add another player, maybe Martell, to relieve a log jam and then taking Brewer makes more sense.

Dan said...

Forget Speedy Claxton and Marvin Williams. The Blazers need expiring contracts more than they need better players.

Atlanta trades
Josh Childress
Tyronn Lue
Lorenzen Wright
2007 Draft #03 Pick

Portland trades
Zach Randolph
Jarrett Jack

The salary for the #3 pick would have to be included so this couldn't be announced on draft day. Portland would definitely want Corey Brewer to make this trade work, which means that Atlanta would have to draft Brewer, which would certainly raise some eyebrows until the trade was announced.

Childress, Lue & Wright all only have 1 year left on their contract so over 10 million dollars would be off the book next year.

This also makes it easy for the Blazers to sign Steve Blake to help Sergio with the point guard duties.

PG: Steve Blake, Sergio Rodriguez, Dan Dickau, Tyronn Lue
SG: Brandon Roy, Martell Webster, Fred Jones
SF: Corey Brewer, Ime Udoka, Travis Outlaw, Josh Childress
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge, Raef LaFrentz
C: Greg Oden, Joel Przybilla

The Blazers would use their 4 second round draft picks and possibly some more trades (Dickau for sure) to improve depth up front.

I like it.

Lochi said...

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking. The #3, Marvin, Ty Lue, and Anthony Johnson (Lue and Johnson's deals expire at the end of next season), for Z-bo, Jack, and the #37 pick.

The only problem is I wouldn't feel that good about a playoff team who had Ty Lue and Sergio at the point. Brandon would have to play the point in crunch time.

ziggythebeagle said...

Josh Childress
Tyronn Lue
Lorenzen Wright
2007 Draft #03 Pick

Portland trades
Zach Randolph
Jarrett Jack

?????????????????????
We trade Zach and JJ for the #3 pick and expiring contracts??? I am sorry but I see no logic in that whatsoever. We get $10,000,000 off the books, and we are still over the cap, so we can't sign a FA, and in reality we have to be about $10,000,000 under to sign a decent FA. Zach has value so use him to get some value that fits you better.

Cap Space is not an asset, players and contracts are. Look at what Tom Penn (our new AGM) said about cap space in his interview Quick.

ziggythebeagle said...

The more I think about this deal, I think it is all about drafting Durant. If we get #3 we will take Horford who gives us that low post defensive presence, along with L.A.. That then allows us to take Durant #1, who I think is the player Pritchard wants. I think he believes he can spin that, and make it positive.